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Picture of soldiers in the 17th century
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Gruff
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and here's another Jacob Duck:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did find another one by Duck of some other soldiers playing cards but it's very poor quality (The file not the painting).

I'd like to see some of his works "In the flesh" so to speak but they seem to be spread far and wide through Europe and America.
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Rob Jones



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another by Duck -



and a close-up



Actually, it's another of the same subject but the positioning is different.
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Abs



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am pretty sure that rosettes would have been seperate and not part if the leg ties but I have never seen any in the flesh so I could not say for certain. They were a huge fashion accessory in the C17 because, as you could afford to waste your money on meters and meters of ribbon (made from silk) it showed off your wealth. They are often worn at the knee or the elbow and could be worn over something with long sleeves or to define a slashed area. Will look into it more if people are really bothered!
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Abs



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob, that Duck is gorgeous!! Do you have a larger version of it? I would love to be able to peer at the detail of the dress.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three men playing cards. (Top)
The man in the middle , to the rear seems to be a muskette corpral as he is wearing bandoliers & playing cards with officers. The man with the pipe is most certainly the colour bearer.

He is also wearing calf length spatter-dashes over socks. his knees are partially bare.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abs wrote:
Rob, that Duck is gorgeous!! Do you have a larger version of it? I would love to be able to peer at the detail of the dress.


Will e-mail it to you,

R
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Rob, you're a star! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Modest too!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JOhn,

I think that you are over-analyising. If these are images based upon Dutch/Flemish militia companies then the sociqal distinctions between officers and men are not going to be as great as with the armies of the ECW (and even there I suspect that officers and men could be closer than we might usually think, especially amongst the Trayned Bands). I feel that the eighteenth-century notion of the soldier as the scum of the earth is, to a certain extent, an anachronism in our period.

So, yes he could be a coroporal, but he may just be a 'fireman', as I have heard them referred to elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, dew, Rob, and I was enjoying that! It was entertainment on these boring afternoon's when I'm supposed to be reclining in bed with my feet way over my head.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, you will be pleased to know that this thread has caused so much debate in our house that I have been forced to go under the bed where I keep my notes from my degree to find that I should know quite a bit about the 30 years war. Just proves to me that battles and politics are not my thing.

Interestingly, the two guys in the first picture seem to have buttoned bottoms to thier breeches rather than the standard SK ties (which is another reason for thinking the officers rosettes are not part of his leg ties, there would be no reason for both!)
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Abs wrote:
Well, you will be pleased to know that this thread has caused so much debate in our house that I have been forced to go under the bed where I keep my notes from my degree to find that I should know quite a bit about the 30 years war.


It's all Rock 'n' Roll down at Hunt Villas!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing
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